Sales Debate: How will the manual 991.2 affect the GT3 market?

After the launch of the 991 GT3, everyone thought that the manual gearbox had been confined to Weissach’s history books. But now, with the 991.2 almost certainly set to come with the option of a clutch pedal, how will the new car affect the GT3 market? We ask the experts to lend their opinions.

“It’s a really hard one to make a call on,” says Parr’s Lawrence Stockwell. The independent specialist’s customers fall into one of two camps according to the head of PR: those who want the latest and greatest (“as long as it’s faster and better”), and those who prefer raw mechanical feel (“the purists”).

The former will prefer the 991.2 with a PDK transmission, while the manual gearbox may not be enough to appease the latter according to Stockwell. “I still think there is a question mark over the level of electronic involvement on the car. I don’t think the manual transmission is the fixer,” he explains.

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“I think it will help to restore people’s confidence but I still feel as though there is not a lot of love for the 991.” Therefore, the Parr man believes that “as far as values go, it’s [the 991.2’s] not going to have a massive effect” on the GT3 market.

RPM Technik’s Sales Manager, Greig Daly, disagrees about the level of love for the 991.1 (“it’s a fabulous transmission and a great car in its current guise”). He does agree with Stockwell though that the initial readjustment on the GT3 market will be minimal.

Assuming that stock availability is the same as the last generation, “you won’t be able to get hold of one because they’ll all be sold,” explains Daly. This means he expects the 991.2 GT3 to hit the used market at around £140,000-£160,000, knocking the Gen1 991s back slightly to “the early £100,000s.”

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But what about the 997.1 and 997.2 GT3s behind that? “I don’t really see that affecting them in the short to medium term because they’ve got a Mezger engine and race pedigree,” Daly says, perhaps validating Stockwell’s argument about the 991’s different character.

It may halt their appreciation but, as the RPM Sales Manager points out, “they’ve not really been moving” anyway. Instead, both Daly and Stockwell feel it won’t be until the sales split between manual and PDK becomes evident that the market will see any movement.

The Parr man concludes that, “the purists will want the manual gearbox and, maybe, initially those cars will fetch a premium. When the new car sales start revealing how many of each are being sold, then it will settle down.” It’s only once it has settled down (maybe a year down the line from launch) that the market will make any adjustments, according to Daly. Until then, we’ll just have to wait and see.

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Comments (4)

  • Javier Marqués

    I think purist is not the right adjective for the drivers that prefer a modern 911 with manual drive. A pure classical 911 has to be manual and a pure 21th 911 has to have a PDK transmission. If not, “pure” would be confused as “classical” which is not the same. The unique features of a 911 are the unmistakable looks, its rear engine, that together with a high end technology, right size and a boxer six cylinder engine make a proper pure one. So a better adjective for those who prefer a current model with a manual transmission would be “old fashioned”, “posers” or the one I think the most appropriate: “manuals”.

  • brandon chism

    I think purist is the perfect depiction for those of us wanting our 911s with the never depreciating, never out of date, and timeless, manual gear box. Much like every other dual clutch that has existed, technology improves and what was once “great” and “the pinnacle of transmission technology” is relegated to feeling like an older auto no longer in keeping with whatever new hotness is available. Try driving first gen PDKs or any other manufacturer’s offering of a dual clutch if you don’t believe me. As a number’s proposition, it’s hard to understand the desire for manual. But Porsche ownership isn’t all about numbers and I’m not sure it ever will be. Automobiles purchased for any other reason than utility or needs based logic will usually be a passion based venture. This especially applies to sports cars. There is no sound logic for buying a 100k plus vehicle with no/crappy rear seats, terrible gas mileage, and a laughable amount of cargo space. That being said, these purchases are about what makes the buyer or driver feel a certain way. I, like many others that go on manual tirades, tie those feelings to three pedals and a manual actuated gear lever along with outstanding driving dynamics. We’re not old fashioned, we just have a different appreciation for some of the same experiences. That should be a point of celebration, not contention.

  • Javier Marqués

    That is the same as saying that a current 911 with a paper map in the globebox is more pure that one with a high end navigator. It has nothing to do with the essence of the car, we are talking about 911s not Morgans.
    “…never depreciating?” Ask those who bought a low mileage 911R thinking its manual gearbox will protect their invesment.

  • brandon chism

    A few things. The first being that my response was meant to illustrate that purist can be an applicable term to those of us wanting a manual. You may not feel that the manual has anything to do with the essence of the car, however; I respectfully disagree. That doesn’t make you any less of a purist in my eyes, because I don’t get to tell you what matters about any car you choose to be interested in. I don’t think your glovebox comparison has any merit whatsoever. I’m not calling manual technologically superior to a dual clutch. I don’t think any one with half a brain would try and make that argument. And while you may not care for the sensation associated with manipulating a manual box, that doesn’t mean other people willing to spend the money on these cars are wrong if they desire to do so. Regardless of whether you see a manual as pure or not, my point was that the technology behind the dual clutch transmissions (DCTs) is one of the primary reasons those cars don’t historically hold their values compared to their manual counterparts, which makes my bit about never depreciating and timeless valid. Lastly, I don’t know if you’ve checked the listings lately, but 911Rs are still commanding top dollar. In fact they are still over the original advertised sticker. With less than 1,000 produced, that glorious 4.0 liter engine, and its extremely lightweight chassis; the 911R will is sure to stay stratospherically expensive much like the 997 GT2 and GT3 RS 4.0 that came before it. It’s that special.